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RE: BEWARE! Ontario RVers!
I saw this:
"When determining RGW, only the tongue weight of a towed device or farm implement is included in the truck's RGW"
here: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/regulations/annual.htm
I see how you came to your interpretation, however on the same website as you saw that statement it also says this:
"The registered gross weight (RGW) determines the fee paid for the truck's licence plates. RGW is based on, and must be at least equal to the actual weight of the truck and its heaviest load. Generally the weight of a towed trailer and its heaviest load are added to the RGW of the truck.."
This is absolutely nuts.. I think this is worse than TAX Law!!!!! LOL
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gitane59
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05/15/08 05:29pm |
RVing in Canada and Alaska
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RE: BEWARE! Ontario RVers!
The way I understand it, even with the personal use exemption, the trailer PIN weight MUST be included in the RGW (registrered gross weight) to determine the licence plate fees ONLY.
Also, after speaking to the person at my local licencing office and the Ford dealer, they both confirm that NO Super Duty trucks are issued with a "personal use Only" stickers because of the vehicle's base weight of 3000kg. But there is the definition of a "personal use pickup" written into the MTO regulations if you carefully read the "Daily Inspection and Maintenance requirements". I must admit it is very confusing to say the least.
May I ask how you came to this understanding because your interpretation goes against what this government website indicates if your trailer is over 2800kgs.
Determining RGW
I'm not trying to argue I just don't want ot overpay a fee becasue of a beaucrats ignorance.
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gitane59
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05/13/08 08:15pm |
RVing in Canada and Alaska
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RE: BEWARE! Ontario RVers!
There is a new "AR" licence class coming into effect this June which will fit your bill - it's not the full "A" licence, but a restricted version thereof. You can find details on it HERE.
About Time:
On a second look what goood is the change for recreational RV'ers if all of the commercial regulations and requirements still exist to pass the test as Bruce states. It still does not address recreational drivers pulling trailers above 10,000lbs whohave no need to know the laws pertaining to commercial OTR hauling.
Bruce: I don't see how you think your legal. Please convince me with some facts.
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gitane59
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05/12/08 08:46pm |
RVing in Canada and Alaska
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RE: BEWARE! Ontario RVers!
Privatepilot thats the weblinks I'm also looking at as well. Have a look at this though, with repsec tot registered truck weight on how to calculate the weight we must register our trucks for carefully and you will read that we must add the totoal trailer and truck weights together to get our truck registered weight if our trialers are over 288kgs
Determining registerd gross weights
cheers
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gitane59
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05/11/08 08:35pm |
RVing in Canada and Alaska
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RE: BEWARE! Ontario RVers!
When you register a heavy truck at the 4500KG limit (or less) the sticker should have been applied at the time you got the plates for it.
If your registered over 4500KG right now, take your plates into your local MTO office and adjust your registration down to (or below) the 4500KG limit. You'll remove your annual requirement, and they should put the sticker on your plate then and there. If not, remind them.
You do need to sign a certificate "confirming" that you are only going to use the vehicle for "personal transportation" before they'll provide the sticker, but that's just procedural.
Now I'm confused (as always with our laws and MTO regs) . My truck has always been registered under the 4500KG limit and I've never been given or offered the sticker. My truck is registered at 3000KG and I see no reason to increase it to the 4500kg limit because even if I do that would still not make me legal since the Ontario regs require that the total weight of a towed trailer over 2800kg must be added to the truck weight for the truck to be correctly registered. That means that I would have to register my truck for 10900kg to be correctly registered, casuing me all sorts of other grief with respect to annual inspections.
Curiously I saw the sticker for the first time today and it was on a Toyota Tacoma which can hardly be called a "Heavy Truck"
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gitane59
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05/11/08 08:05pm |
RVing in Canada and Alaska
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RE: BEWARE! Ontario RVers!
The trick is to make sure that your registered for 4500KG or less, and that you receive the little red "Primarily used for personal transportation" sticker for your license plate. .
I just saw that sticker today on a truck. I had not seen or heard of it before. How does a person go about receiving one?
Thanks Will
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gitane59
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05/11/08 07:19pm |
RVing in Canada and Alaska
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RE: BEWARE! Ontario RVers!
RVcruiser:
Can't help you with the yearly safety inspection sticker requirement. That's a given for duallies due to the GVWR, although many owners don't know it and most Cops let it slide unless your obviously commercial.
Annual truck and Trailer Inspection requirement
To show you how stupid the law is!! If you carry around a TC on your truck it's a motorhome and you don't have to have it inspected. As soon as you take the TC off it must be inspected yearly.:S
However with respect to the CVOR, here's a link to the personal use exemption for pickup trucks. Pay particular interest to the follow statement.
Pickups used for personal purposes only:
A pickup that is never used for business purposes and never tows a trailer that is used for business purposes is exempt from CVOR, daily inspections and hours-of-service rules. This applies regardless of the pickup's registered gross weight or any actual weights of the pickup and or trailer.
Ontario Min of Transport Personal Use exemption from CVOR
I'm sorry to say that you were done wrong by our all knowing government beaucrats.:R
I have written to two different Ministers of Transport in our fine province over the past 3 years and I have received the political bums rush every time regarding these and other issues pertaining to towing and licensing. The story is the same everytime. Were looking into it!!!!!
At this point the only reason to increase your registered weight on your truck license is a provincial cash grab.
MTO Truck driver handbook does talk about the CVOR as you inidcate but it does not go into enough detail to discuss exemptions (I have the handbook and have read it cover to cover) plus it is written for and directed at future OTR truck drivers onto which these regs would apply.
Again sorry to hear you got ripped off by the government.
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gitane59
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05/11/08 05:08pm |
RVing in Canada and Alaska
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RE: When is gas gonna kill your camping?
I don't get it. My fuel cost for day to day driving back and forth to work plus errands with my F350 is $330.00 per month today give or take $30 at average 12mpg. People are looking and asking us how we can afford to drive a truck as a daily driver. Now we love camping and won't give it up. we may make some changes like go to closer campgrounds but thats about all. We'll still take longer vaction trips.
So bottom line is I'm not selling the TV. Now if a bought a small deathtrap of a ricer burner for daily driving I might save at most $220.00 per month on fuel. That's assuming a vehicle getting 36mpg. What reliable, highly fuel efficient, safe, reasonably new little car could possible be bought, paid for, maintained, licensed, and insured for $220.00 per month. I would not save anything plus I'd have to find room to park it. Granted we are adjusting our in town errand trips to reduce the number of them but buying a puddle jumper is not the answer for many people.
My DW and I are getting PO'd with family and co-workers comments and one of them got any earful this week. People should just mind their own business.
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gitane59
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05/10/08 10:35am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Recommendations for new tires
Same as what Chris said. Just bought a set 2 weeks ago for my F350SD. Chris got a better deal than I got. I paid $912 out the door
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gitane59
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05/05/08 08:29pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: tires for my 5th wheel
With your mileage of over 10k miles per year you could not go wrong with the Michelin XPS Ribs. look at their specs and compare them to other identical sized and rated tires and you will fnd that the XPS Ribs weigh about 8lbs heavier than any other tire of the same size and rating. they really are the strongest. Just put a set on my 5ver about a month ago.
$230 each Canadian installed and balanced.
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gitane59
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05/05/08 04:54pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: 2010 Titan with a Cummins under the hood? Yep
When I first read this post and the OP's comments I had to check the date on my computer to see if it was April fools day all over again.
Why would Dodge get into bed with Nissan on a Diesel powered half ton while Nissan is building and marketing a potential HD Ram competitor of their very own. It seems on the surface like Dodge is just helping Nissan to build products to compete against themselves in both the half-ton and HD markets. They will have a hard time differentiating their products and buyers from Nissan's.
V8 Cummins is like
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gitane59
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05/04/08 05:43pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Visit to Open Range Factory
These are comments our friend BJ made about us over on a dealers blog. It really burns my butt when people misconstrue truth for their own benefit. I don't think I should post the dealers weblink into the site. PM if you want it.
"Thank you for a most interesting description of Randy’s new fifth-wheel. As you would guess, I have already visited the factory and I find everything you say to be true.
There have been some negative things said in the RV.NET Forum by people who have no idea what they are talking about and are only going on hearsay. You folks should know as you see many RVs every day and sell many excellent brands.
Thanks again for setting folks straight on what the Open Range really is.
Have a good season!
Bryan
Comment by Bryan Carter — April 14,2008"
Regardless of how good his SIL trailers may or may not be his credibility and integrity is shot.
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gitane59
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04/30/08 07:51pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: GAS Prices!!! I sold my rig, my F-250 is next
Just came back from a weekend away in a luxury hotel (Hilton). It was a coporate sponsored getaway but it once again showed me why I hate hoteling it for any reason and can't wait to get back out into the RV and a campground this weekend. What with the stuffy elevators and hallways and the non-existent circulation of fresh air in the room and the partying till 3AM in the hallways Saturday night, not to mention the ongoing feeling of sleeping in a bed maybe thousands of other people have slept in. Oh BTW the room rate was $350.00 per night. Unless we are forced to curtail all recreational vacation travel as a society I'd much rather spend my money on fuel for the tow vehicle than a hotel rooom and a tiny puddle jumper.
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gitane59
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04/29/08 08:38pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Visit to Open Range Factory
Please folks read the posting carefully. Everybody is mixing up facts, thoughts and opinions of 2 very different units. Open Range and Open Road are two very different units in different price ranges built by two different companies. As to the OP your endorsement of the Open Range product is bordering on commercial advertising for your SIL something the moderator may not accept.
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gitane59
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04/29/08 06:07pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: How do you protect your carpet from slide-out rollers?
I too am not entirely happy with Wilkins RV in Bath NY. We purchased the Kountry Star in my sig from them earlier this year and the service department really does not do a good job. While we purchased a used unit we expected things committed to during our pre-purchase meeting to be completed correctly and professionally nonetheless. They promised to repair or replaced a damaged rear stabilizer assembly and they committed to checking and verifying the mechanicals including the brakes. We took deliver of the unit in about 10 degree fahrenheit temperatures couple weeks later and took them at their word that they had rebuilt the rear stabilizer good as new and that the brakes were 100%. We returned home about 500 miles in a snow storm so we drove very slowly and carefully not braking heavily at all.
On our first trip out less than 100 miles from home I knew something was not right with the brakes. It had very poor braking power. A quick check of drum temperatures at the first safe place to stop confirmed my suspicion. Only one axle was receiving juice. With one quick look (not 30 seconds) under the trailer I saw the cause. A broken wire coming down from the frame to the cold axle. Easy fix, but P-O'd me off that I had to find it myself after 100 miles of stressful driving. Even after the mandatory NY safety inspection.:R
Second problem was one side of the completely rebuilt stabilizer (Ya right! what a joke) broke right off the trailer frame the first time I tried to use it. As soon as I tried to lower it, it started swinging loose and as I tried to find the cause it broke free and fell from the frame. It was being held on that one side by a single rusty almost completely stripped and loose screw.
The sales people and admin staff were excellent but don't trust the service department to do what they say very well if at all.
Overall though we love the trailer.
Oh BTW those roller marks don't seem to permanently do any damage. The roller impressions disappear very quickly after we open our slides even in our 7 year old unit and it has the original carpet.
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gitane59
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04/28/08 06:42pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Another fuel cost $8.50/gal thread about the future of RVing
Any improvement is the fuel price situation will be short term at best. We have been living in a world that continually INCREASED our oil supplies ever since they were first discovered and developed and NOW we live in a time when we're in the process of USING UP those supplies without discovering more to replace them. Prices have only one way to go so be prepared.
The false theory of peak oil is a cruel conspiracy by greedy oil producing countries and their corporate co-conspirators, the oil companies. There are vast fields of oil still being discovered every year (one example is the 33 billion barrel find off the coast of Brazil) throughout the world and North American reserves of both oil and gas are at their highest levels in over a decade. As an owner of oil stocks I am shocked at the profits, share price and dividends being paid, while it hurts the global economy all in the name of greed. While my family will profit if I sell my oil stock's at the right time the pain the oil companies are causing the global economy is disgusting.
This is just like the theory of us humans causing global warming!! Global warming is a natural cycle of the earth throughout the earth's history being repeated over and over again. We should not be fretting about how to stop or control it we need to be seriously figuring out how to adjust and adapt to it.
I find it curious that it was periods of global warming that help to create the oil that the world is fretting over at present. Without global warming we would not be fretting about oil.
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gitane59
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04/25/08 07:56am |
General RVing Issues
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Another fuel cost $8.50/gal thread about the future of RVing
Heard a report yesterday from energy analyst's who are foreseeing the cost of gas to be $2.25 per liter in Canada (thats $8.50 per US gallon) by 2012. That's just 3.5 short years. Besides the curtailment of any pleasure driving a price like that will wreak havoc on our basic economic system and lifestyle (forget about pleasure)considering the distances we have to travel in North america between places for necessary business and life reason's. I am trying to stay positive, looking forward to retirememt and additional travel in 8 or 9 years, but the current situation and the forecast's of the falling skies is beginning to take it's toll on my DW and I. Any suggestions other than sticking my fingers in my ears and saying NAY, NAY, NAY , NAY, NAY, NAY, NAY
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gitane59
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04/25/08 05:51am |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Our interior MODS and accessories
I counted 33 cup hook holes in the walls. To each his own I guess!!!:E
Thanks for supporting Chinamart so much as you call it . That's another cent or two added to our fuel prices everytime we in North America support their economy by buying their junk.
Have a great day
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gitane59
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04/25/08 05:13am |
Travel Trailers
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RE: another lesson learned!
Hi All.
Well, I guess your doing something wrong. We have been RV'er for 40+ years now, and have had quite a few TT's and 5ers, all towed with a truck. We have never lost anything while traveling. Anyone who tows a 5er knows how much wind whips around in their truck bed, from down drafts caused by the over-hang of your 5er, or at least you should know, if your going to tow one. A little planning really helps. Maybe it was easier for me, as an Old OTR Trucker for 15 years. Ask any trucker, its second nature to them. "SECURE THAT LOAD" RV'er who own 5er's, are just like OTR Truckers, but on a smaller scale. So think like one. Its really pretty simple if you really think about it. Good luck. Happy Camping, Dan & Jill
Dan you're right of course, but how do OTR drivers know these things??? They receive education or training and licensing before receiving their commercial OTR license. This is the opposite of recreational 5ver drivers. In most jurisdiction a person does not require any speical training or licensing whatoever to tow a fifthwheel with a PU.
You state the exact reason why an argument can be made for regulation requiring special training and licensing to tow recreational fifthwheels. If someone has never towed before how are they to know the importance of tying everything down in the bed of the truck if they have not experience seeing it levitate on the wind currents. Everyone's forsight and planning consideration skills are not sufficient to allow people to just "KNOW" without training that they must tye everything "light" down in the bed of the tow vehicle.
I was lucky that all I lost was a plastic cooler and no one was around me when it flew out. I received my education/training on 5ver wind currects from the "School of Hard Knocks" and now like you everythings gets tied down. We all must get our education and experience from somewhere.
Safe towing Will
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gitane59
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04/24/08 04:41am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: another lesson learned!
On one of my first trips out with my first 5ver I put a cooler in the bed of the truck. It was almost empty and very light. Being a newbie I did not understand the turbulence in the bed at highway speeds until I heard something banging around behind me. When I looked in the rear view mirror the cooler was floating around on the air currents, banging into the bed rails and banging into the underside of the 5ver pin. Before I could get the trailer stopped the cooler floater up and out of the bed, banged the front of the 5ver and flew out of the truck entirely smashing on the road behind me.
Lesson learned!!! Never carry anything light in the bed again without tying it down
Cheers Will
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gitane59
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04/22/08 08:39pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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